Khazakhstan
Louise Fresco [narrating]: Eating is our most intimate way of interacting with nature. Nature is what we eat. If you do that negligently, wasting food, not knowing where it comes from, goes against the idea that we should inhabit the earth responsibly. Food is knowledge and awareness, because there is a moral dimension to food.
Iâve always been fascinated by the Heavenly Mountains. Theyâre on the border between China and Khazakhstan. All the apples we eat nowadays originated here. All the varieties: red or green, sweet or tart. The appleâs long journey to the rest of the world started here.
[At night, driving through a dense forest.]
Yuri: Those are apple trees.
Louise: Yes. There are red apples there. You saw them? Here too.
Yuri: You can take them through the window.
Louise: Theyâre not entirely ripe yet. And here too, there are some red apples. You see? And some small green ones.
Sergej: You have to keep left here, Yuri. Stay a bit more to the left.
Yuri: Not here?
Sergej: Keep left, keep left. Donât go too near the right. Left, left, Yuri.
Yuri: Iâm not here for the first time.
Sergej: Youâre doing well, Yuri. Youâre hired!
Yuri: Another steep slope.
Louise: Yes, what a lot of apple trees. Wonderful.
Yuri: Itâs here, isnât it?
Sergej: Itâs steep.
Yuri: Iâll get into a lower gear.
Sergej: Right.
Yuri: Keep right, eh?
Sergej: Faster, faster.
Louise: Thank you.
Yuri: You should thank Sergej, our guide.
At a farmstead in the Heavenly Mountains, Khazakhstan
Louise: This is a wild apple. Itâs the forefather⊠No, itâs the same species as our own apple. It could have come from our supermarket if it werenât for those spots. But the very shape, the size, is right. And itâs nearly always so that the forefathers of apples, or the forefathers of what we eat now, look very different. This one is not ripe yet, but I bet itâs quite edible. Itâs the amazing thing about them: that the taste and the shape have in fact never changed.
[Sitting on the veranda]
Louise: Itâs not very up to date, but I bought this atlas in 1981, when I worked in Africa. Long before the days of GPS and mobile phone apps. But itâs very useful if you want a quick overview.
This is a great map, because it shows the Chinese culture in the East as well as Mesopotamia. And you see the enourmous distances people travelled along the Silk Routes, roads people used for a thousand years. I will show you where we are. Let me get it right. We are in that small area. Itâs on the border between China and Khazakhstan.
The Silk Routes, as there was more than one, went either round the South or round the North, but they always passed the Heavenly Mountains. Thatâs us here.
This area was never affected by an ice age of any sort. Northern Europe and North America were covered in ice. Quite recently. Even 12.000 years ago there were still remains of the ice age in The Netherlands. We donât have any ancient vegetation where we live. But this region has been undisturbed for millions of years. And it took the apple about six thousand years to travel from here to Mesopotamia, and then to spread itself, usually over land, via Turkey and Bulgaria to Europe and the Mediterranean. And three hundred years later it was in the rest of the world.
[Together with Alken Burungazov on the veranda, during a heavy rain shower.]
Alken: My name is Burungazov, Alken Burungazov. Iâm the director of the Lepsinsk section of the Djungar Alatau Nature Reserve. If the rain doesnât worry you, we can go. I donât know how long it will take. Youâll get wet and catch a cold.
[Riding through the area on horseback, still raining. Apples on the ground everywhere. Louise gets down and studies some horse manure.]
Team, off-camera: What are you checking?
Louise: Whether the horses had eaten apples. Yes, I think⊠No, they are other pips.
One of the main ways for apple seads to spread was via horses, who would eat the apples and the pips. And horses cover greater distances than bears, outside the woods, and thatâs how the apples spread along the Silk Routes. Horses were first tamed in this region about seven thousand years ago. Wild horses became tame horses. And that is when the spread of apples from this area gained momentum. Bears stay in the woods, but the horses went along the Silk Routes, and that explains the relative speed of the process. Itâs interesting: horses chew, and that makes the pips come away from the apple. If the pip doesnât come out of the apple, it canât germinate. Because the horse chews, the skin of the pip is damaged. That helps it to germinate. Those are important conditions for the propagation of apples. Another condition is a cold period. For two months, it must be around zero degrees Celsius, or they wonât germinate.
This horse has been eating grass. I can still see the grass seeds. This horse wasnât a keen apple eater.
[To the horse:] You should eat more apples!
[Along the road, a horse eats an apple. The group stops again.]
Gids: Thatâs bear dung.
Louise: Really? [Squats to inspect bear dung.] What we see here is totally different. Hey, an apple pip! There it is. Let me get it out.
Team: Is that going to be an apple tree?
Louise: A whole apple forest. There are a lot of pips. But the question is if they have been damaged enough in the digestion process to germinate. I must take a closer look.
This one doesnât look too good. I mean, I donât know if itâs damaged enough for a seedling to grow out of it. Iâll try and find another one.
But it confirms the whole story that you need horse dung or bear dung, because itâs good manure. This one has the right pips in it.
Team: How long have they been here?
Louise: This is quite fresh. it could be last nightâs. There was a lot of rain. Yuck⊠He has also been eating something else. I see an undamaged piece of apple. He hasnât even digested it. Well, the conclusion is: bears eat fruit. The pips are digested and end up in a nice blob of manure. And that grows into an apple forest.
Itâs fantastic that a forest can be so old and still rejuvenate all the time. Especially if you realise that man has only been active here for a short while. The idea of continuity in the vegetation on earth, a continuity that has gone on before us and will go on after us, thatâs a wonderful idea and makes it kind of paradisiacal.
[Sitting under a tree.]
Louise: The thing that makes it so special for me is that my great hero probably also walked here: Nikolai Vavilov, the Soviet botanist and geneticist. He was the first man to see the correlation between natural variation, botanic variation, and the possibility to improve crops. We know he was here in 1929.
He was concerned about the food supply of the Soviet Union and travelled across the five continents to study various crops.
He identified the genetic centres, the centres of origin as he called them. He studied rice, wheat, and also apples.
In a way, he laid the foundation for the Green Revolution. In the 1960s, wheat, corn and rice varieties were improved, so that maybe a billion people in Asia were saved from starvation. Vavilovâs story did not have a happy ending. He opposed a man who was supported by Stalin: Lysenko, the biologist who thought you could educate plants just like people. If treated better, they would become genetically better. That proved not to be so. In 1939 Vavilov was arrested, in fact not very far from here, and in 1943 he died in prison as a result of starvation.
[Louise stands outside, looking into a mirror.]
Louise: Iâm looking in the mirror at the landscape. The mirror provides a frame, so I can concentrate on what I see.
[Mirror shot]
This is the influence of people on the mountains, The Heavenly Mountains. We see what happens when man meddles with the ecosystem.
People felled trees, party out of poverty, partly because in the 1930s, under Stalin, they were forced to turn this into arable land. And for people from the steppes, every tree is firewood. And apple trees are good firewood. We keep seeing this battle between man and the ecosystem. Itâs a sombre story with a positive side. Because we now have ways to protect at least a part of this.
Team: So youâre not sorry about it?
Louise: Of couse Iâm sorry that the original forests have gone. But I also know that hunger will drive people to harm the environment. It is one of the reasons why it is good to make sure there is economic growth. The less hunger, the less damage to the landscape. A rich country can afford to protect something. In poor countries all trees are felled.
In the distance you see the snow-capped mountains and a deep valley inbetween. It is probably one of thise passages in the Silk Routes where people crossed the mountains to the West. With apple seeds in their saddlebags. And in the horsesâ stomachs yet more apple seeds. That is how our apple moved into the Babylonian Empire.
[Louise buys apples from a roadside stand.]
Verkoopster: Aport.
Louise: Yes, I remember. And this is Sultanat?
Verkoopster: That is a pear.
Louise: Iâll write that down.
Verkoopster: There you are, may you enjoy them.
Louise: I think thatâs very sweet of you.
[On the road.]
Louise: The Silk Route still exists: that ancient artery between East and West. Itâs a trade route along which many items were disseminated. Goods, but also plants and animals. Apples, cherries, rice, but also horses found their way to the West.
This section of the Silk Route leads to Alma-Aty, the city of apples. From this stopping place the apple started on its long journey.
Botanical Garden Almaty
Man: The guide has his day off. I canât come with you.
Louise: Iâll go and look for myself. Iâll be back.
Man: I have to stay here.
[Louise enters the botanical gardens.]
Louise: No apple trees to be seen. And there arenât any signs anywhere. There is plastic lying around, there are dogs. I have no idea whatâs here. Theyâre making a border with lavender plants. This isnât a botanical garden. Itâs a silly plot with a few trees. This is the cradle of apples in the world, so youâd expect a wonderful collection of our eating apples and all related varieties, all catalogued so you know what youâre looking at. That would have educational and scientific value, but thereâs nothing at all. I canât find any information. I simply have no idea. What a sad state of affairs⊠I am shocked.
[Louise explores.]
No⊠Nothing there either. There is a tropical hothouse, though. Without apples, because thatâs not a tropical fruit.
[Louise explores some more.]
A useless stretch of grass. Not an apple to be seen. Incredible that they call this a botanical garden.
[Louise tries to unlock a fence.]
This is not entirely legal, but since I got this far, I want to see it. What on earth can I say about it? Itâs pretty unspeakable. This has got to be it. This was it. There were all kinds of things here, but itâs all overgrown by grass. In the far distance there are a few trees that may have been wild varieties. I know that Vavilov and his students set up this garden. Itâs one the the fifteen gardens he had in the Soviet Union with a great number of varieties. But this has been neglected for so long. Itâs a grass jungle.
[Louise pulls some weeds from a tree.]
Itâs diffcult to see if they are this old. it has been done for ages: in Mesopotamia, about 4000 years ago, they already knew how to graft trees. They would take the bottom half of a tree that developed particularly good roots, and grafted in top of it a tree that just produced a lot. So you got the best qualities combined. Grafting is a sensitive process. Itâs risky, because you open both of them and you try to get them to fuse. It can get contaminated. But this one is too old to tell properly. You can see young shoots appeared, but they do seem to belong together. Team: Why was the Soviet not interested in it? Louise: Soon after these gardens were developed, there came that terrible period with the famine in the Ukraine. Lysenko, Vavilovâs opponent, wasnât interested in genetics. He just wanted to plant every field full of crops. Then came the Second World War, that made so many victims, and so influenced the economy, that it all had a very slow start. There were good scientists, but they didnât have the means. With such a collection you have to exchange with other countries. I was talking about the eating apples here, but many related species are in China and in Europe. We have a very ancient ancestor in the crab apple. Itâs a small, very tart, green apple. Thatâs now a European variety. If you have an isolated collection and you donât maintain it, and researchers may not communicate with the outside world, then it stagnates. Thatâs not a living collection. You plant these trees outside their envirionment, because you want to study how great the variations are. In the woods we may see a tree that is different, but is it genetically different? Or is it different because itâs on this slope and not on that one? You have to do both. You have to protect a tree in its ecosystem, but also in a place like this. This is our heritage. And because it was developed here, it is our duty to do something with it. Thatâs why Iâve worked so long on the problem of who is allowed to use it. That was in my previous job with the United Nations. Itâs sad to see that what is called the apple collection in Khazakhstan doesnât in fact exist.
[Louise climbs a tree.]
Itâs an interesting variety, but again, if you donât know where itâs from…
[Louise explores.]
I walked on, because I thought I saw a sign. Because that saddens me, too: soon, no one will know where this tree came from. Where was it taken from? Was it raised from seed? Itâs not grafted. If you donât know where a tree is from, and there is no record of its yield, or what happened to the seed, itâs useless. If you donât document things, youâve got nothing. I can see there are trees, but if you donât know what youâve got⊠They have nothing to share or exchange with researchers elsewhere. Itâs truly hopeless. Very sad. Very sad, yes. It would make Vavilov turn in his grave, the poor man.
Oxford, England. In the apple orchard of Barrie Juniper, fellow emeritus St. Catherineâs College, walking toward a young apple tree.
Barrie: Now this. There are many famous trees here, but this, I think, is particularly important. Because this doesnât have a name. It comes direct from Khazakhstan. A friend of mine who runs a nursery there up in Norwich brought back a handful of seed and fruit, which he wasnât supposed to do. Streng verboten! But he got six trees to grow in his nursery and he gave me one, and it turns out to be the best of them, really.
Louise: Where exactly in Khazakhstan did he get it?
Barrie: I donât know exactly, but right over near the Chinese border. And it is really a very, very nice apple. But people cannot quite believe in Western Europe that you can go, as would you know, you can go into those mountains and you can pick apples.
Louise: Yes, to pick apples that are so similar to the ones we are eating now today.
Barrie: Look, what is different between that and these cultivated apples here? There is no difference at all. This has no name, and youâll notice it is not grafted. Itâs growing on its own feet. All the other trees there, you see those thick grafts, whatever they may be.
Louise: So can we have a look at the others? Which one is your favourite one?
Barrie: I suppose, well⊠There are two. Now look. I suppose this has to be Oxfordâs apple, doesnât it?
Louise: Yes.
Barrie: That has to be Oxfordâs apple. That is the Blenheim Orange, from the palace.
Louise: The famous Blenheim Orange. You know what, if you give me the basket, then I put the apples in with our collection, then I give you the saw and I take the apples.
Barrie: When those apples came up, European people knew about wheat and beans, and they knew about peas, and they knew about oats and barley. All those things, you had to do a lot of things to them. You had to take the skins off, or you had to grind them, or you had to cook them, or you had to mix them with yeast or whatever it was. You go to an apple tree, pick one off, you eat it.
[At a different tree]
That grows very well with me. Thatâs Holstein.
Louise: You got it from Germany?
Barrie: From Germany, from Holstein.
[A bit further]
This is Shakespeareâs favourite apple.
Louise: Really? How interesting. How do you know this is Shakespeareâs?
Barrie: In one of the parts of Henry IV part II, one of his servants says âBring me a dish of leathercoats!â
Louise: So this is the Leathercoat?
Barrie: You can see why they are called Leathercoat.
Louise: Indeed, yes, now I understand. I never knew this, but itâs because of its thick skin.
Barrie: Itâs got a thick, tough skin.
Louise: Why is it important for people to understand about variety?
Barrie: If youâve got variety, youâve got strength. If youâve got one variety, you are in danger. Because a fungus, a virus, a bacterium, if it can attack that one variety, then youâre finished.
Louise: The trouble is of course, that many of those apples, with those nice characteristics, are difficult to grow. Theyâre difficult to harvest. It requires a lot of labour.
Barrie: Yes.
Louise: how do we deal with that?
Barrie: People must, I think, I would love the idea of a street orchard, in which every house in a street has a different growth. Somebody had an early cooker, somebody a late cooker, somebody a dessert.
Louise: So an apple tree in front of every house? Barrie: Or in the back, I donât mind. But running throughout the season.
Louise: Thatâs a nice idea.
Barrie: Very easy thing to do.
Louise: And you donât do any pruning at all?
Barrie: I cut out dead wood, thatâs all.
Louise: Yes, of course. This is nearly like a Khazakh forest! – Oops, my basket is getting caught. Look, we wenât through your orchard and weâve got all this variety.
Barrie: Thereâs a Beefing.
Louise: Another Beefing. I put it next to this one, this is a small Beefing. But look at our basket, itâs fantastic. Just a few minutes, and you get all this variety. Fantastic.
Brogdale Farm, England
Joan Morgan, apple expert: The apple is the fruit of England. It became the fruit of England. Well, I suppose it always was the fruit of England, because apples are a hardened tree, so it will grow all over Britain. There is almost no county where there isnât an apple type that will grow there. Every county has its specialities.
But it became really some sort of national fruit, I guess, when the modern fruit industry came into being at the end of the nineteenth century. Because Englandâs homegrown fruits were battleing against import. Particularty large waves of import, coming not only from the continent, but also from America, which was just starting to grow apples on a large scale. And the British people kind of felt their apple was under threat. They had to do something about it. And they launched a fruit crusade, to oust the Yankees and reinstate the English apple. It was really then that English people came to hold it in their hearts in a special place. And that is when Coxâs Orange Pippin began its climb to fame, when Bramleyâs Seeding began its climb to fame, when they were widely planted. And it has kind of always been like that ever since.
[Browsing through an apple catalogue.]
Louise: Why is diversity so important? Firstly, because the genetic meterial contains different characteristics for every living being. One tree is more fungus-resistaint than another. One tree deals better with diseases or drought than another.
To sustain that biodiversity is important for finding qualities that can help us to improve crops. So that we can get better, stabler, healthier varieties and so that we can sustain a worldwide food supply in the future.
[Exploring the apple farm.]
Louise: Iâve never seen this. I wonder – itâs such a strong bunch.
Joan: Thatâs the joy of the collection, collecting has been going on here since 1922. So you have, for all this time, people have been sending their local apples into the collection. Itâs pretty, isnât it?
Louise: Why have the British been socreative in using their apples? What is so special about it?
Joan: Goodness me, I donât know. The British, for a very long time, have been very interested in puddings and sweet dishes. Because the British like things sweet. I mean, the whole notion of fruit sweetmeats, the enormous spectrum of fruit sweetmeats, which achieved a very high level in Britain, because of the colonial involvement.
Louise: And because you had access to sugar.
Joan: Thatâs right. Not only access to sugar with our own caribbean sugar islands, but much of the british wealth back in England derived from the West Indian plantations.
Louise: So which one is the best one?
Joan: Impossible.
Louise: Theyâre all nice?
Joan: Theyâre all nice. You know, it depends upon the season, upon the time of yearâŠ
Louise: This one looks incredible.
Joan: Weâll have to see what thatâs called. The name of the variety is on the other side, on the breeding tree. This is Ida Gold, an American variety.
Louise: You also have a tradition of having apples in a baked form, and of having very different varieties and selection procedures. Tell me something about that.
Joan: In the early 1800s, they actually distinguished in the terminology between apples for cooking, apples for the kitchen, which were called culinary, and apples for the dining table, which were called dessert. In those days, and particularly during the Victorian period, the term dessert referred specifically to the finale of fresh fruit, that came right at the end of a formal dinner. That is after the puddings, then you have this glorious selection.
Louise: The famous extension of the Victorian dinner.
Joan: Yes. The culinary variety, for the kitchens, then became a whole very large group of its own. There are hundreds of culinary varieties. This collection is subdivided basically into culinary and dessert. We are now in front of culinary.
Louise: So in contrast to mainland Europe you had no dual purpose apples, or very few.
Joan: There were dual purpose apples, yes. And I think continental people would probably say that a a number of our culinary apples are perfectly acceptable as eating apples. But basically thereâs a spectrum of qualities in culinary apples, just as thereâs a spectrum of quality in fresh eating apples.
[Walking around]
Joan: Byford Wonder, thatâs a glorious cooking apple. Louise: Fantastic, look at the size.
Joan: Lord Derby, this is a famous variety.
Louise: Where is it from?
Joan: Lancashire. In order to cook, you need them to be sharp. Because, by and large, eating apples, apples that are nice for eating, when you cook them, they keep their shape. There arenât many recipes in England that want the apple to maintain its shape.
Louise: What about apple pie? Youâre supposed to be the inventors of apple pie.
Joan: Whereas I think there are a few other claims to that, but interestinly, in the US, they require apples to keep their shape. So they can go stab âem with a fork. We donât want that. We want the apples to kind of melt away. The Americans donât have this tradition for using culinary apples. Heaven forfend, theyâd use something like Red Delicious in a pie, you know – [facepalms].
Louise: Good heavens, thatâs a sin.
[A bit further]
Joan: This one, this one is worth the walk. Look, another lovely big one.
Louise: Super. So how do you compare in terms of taste and cooking qualities?
Joan: We may be ale to detect this, Iâm not sure, but Byford Wonder has quite a characteristic taste of its own, sharp, savoury. Just a lovely cooking apple.
Louise: How many do we have?
Joan: Quite a lot.
[In the kitchen, sorting apples. Cutting to a Louise and Joan having tea outside. Baked apples are served.]
Joan: Splendid.
Louise: Which one would you like to try?
Joan: Letâs try a Golden Noble here.
Louise: Alright, here you go. [Serves both of them a piece.] Let me give you some cream.
Joan: No, no, no – just the apple.
Louise: It smells good. Mmm. [Tastes.] Thatâs how it should taste!
Joan: Absolutely how it should be.
Louise: Itâs fantastic.
Joan: I was just kind of thinking, we can imagine the Victorian gentlemen sitting down and contemplating: âHmm. Tonight, itâs Lord Derby.â
Louise: It’s lovely.
[They continue to eat baked apples during the end titles.]
stem: louise o. fresco
perspectief: Eating is our most intimate way of interacting with nature. Nature is what we eat. […] For people from the steppes, every tree is firewood. And apple trees are good firewood.
titel: HVMAN presents, Frescoâs paradise part 2, The Appleâs Journey
bron: wageningen university & research (2015, transcript: cb)
mopw: meerstemmige encyclopedie / appel